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are here again hi our side chatters as

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we all wait through a thick

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electromagnetic super signals determined

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to focus in on the one that matters

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because it does seem like we are at a

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point in the timeline where policy and

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the life out of life and attempting to

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replace it with a mechanical and

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artificial AI controlled dystopian

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nightmare we see it in social media the

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the funding of computer-based common

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core curriculum in schools CRISPR gene

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splicing the smartphone obsession and

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pretty much everywhere you look

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but if anything gives me hope it's that

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empires have been attempting to beat

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down the human spirit for centuries

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probably since the beginning at a time

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and yet here we are it seems that maybe

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dismantling and replacing the cosmic

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order and reality's design might be a

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bit harder than the nefarious few had

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bargained for but that doesn't stop the

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esoteric tug of war from carrying on and

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it won't stop us from resisting that

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said a key component to understanding

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the big picture and recognizing the

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deeper motivations of the capstone

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cabal's is an esoteric and cosmological

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context that one has to travel pretty

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far off the beaten path of the modern

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Western world to find it's just not

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something you'll hear discussed in the

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rapid-fire circus of cable news networks

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or in the discourse of arrogant

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atheistic academics but without the

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right frame the picture will never be

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complete and flushing out this framework

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is exactly what today's returning guest

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Joseph P Farrell has done with his

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latest book microcosm and medium the

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cosmic implications and agenda of mind

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control technologies and he's just the

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guy to do it to as his doctorate and

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patristic sfrom oxford university and

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his long history of folding in exactly

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this type of context to a wide array of

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subjects has served him well you can

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find his ongoing examination and

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commentary of this weird world at his

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web site Giza Deathstar calm and in the

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ongoing collection of books he's written

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now well over two dozen in number and

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with that let's light the torch of his

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fifth time on the higher side the man

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the myth the legend one of my favorite

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names in the game dr. Joseph P Farrell

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welcome back to the higher side thanks

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for having me back Greg in spite of all

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our scheduling problems you you were

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very patient putting up with that no

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worries and it is definitely worth it

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because your work is so unique and I'm

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as excited as ever to have you here to

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talk about some incredible subjects as

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we have over the years I mean we've got

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started with babylons banksters and

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financial alchemy we've talked about

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Common Core schooling your cosmic war

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hypothesis the Hess mess all in previous

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entries but as for today I think the

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back of microcosm and medium says it

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better than I could it reads in this

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latest book Joseph P Farrell examines

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the subject of mind control from

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very unusual perspective showing that

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it's basic underlying philosophy and

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goal is not only cosmological in nature

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but that the cosmology in view is very

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ancient and that mind control of any

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sort from the arts to hypnosis remote

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electromagnetic technologies and

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electroencephalographic dictionaries has

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cosmic implications that sets the stage

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pretty well but maybe you could

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elaborate a bit to kick us off and flesh

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out what separates this book from most

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other mind control subject matter

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well that's relatively easy to summarize

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there's a burgeoning literature on mind

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control and most of that literature it's

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the techniques and technologies of mind

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control but I take the approach that

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mind control like the write up there

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says has an underlying cosmology to it

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and that cosmology is very very ancient

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the cosmos is the product of a divine

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reason and therefore the cosmos has its

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own kind of grammar if you will of

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handling information and once you know

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that grammar than any technology or

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technique that you apply to manipulate

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other people's thoughts or emotions or

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decision taking processes and so on

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is going to have some sort of

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cosmological implication and the other

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component of this is that most mind

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control research as far as I'm concerned

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or was able to determine never talks

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about the Arts and the arts whether we

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like it or not are always in some form

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or fashion a technique or technology of

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the manipulation of human passions and

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thoughts the difference being that up to

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a certain point in our history in the

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West I'd say up to say the tail end of

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the 18th century was BAE

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with a consciousness that was grounded

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in that cosmology in other words they

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knew you know when you were composing

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music or painting pictures or so on that

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you were dabbling in cosmological things

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at some point during the 19th century

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all of that cosmology gets jettisoned

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and artistic expression becomes a

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personal expression rather than a

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universal thing and so people tend to

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lose the idea that the arts are a form

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of mind manipulation even though many

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artists still practice it in actual

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practice so you know it's a very complex

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subject but that essentially is the

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difference that is a great summary and

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you write about how all these ideas are

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kind of tied up in our changing concepts

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of consciousness and creativity and you

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say creativity increasingly comes to be

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defined as originality and hence the

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more one breaks with nature and this

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tradition the more one is original and

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creative right and I like that because

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you can see how the yields in today's

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culture were seeded a long time ago oh

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you know my favorite way to approach

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this and I spend a lot of time in the

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book is through music you know I'm I was

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brought up trained on pipe organs and

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then later harpsichord so you know I

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have a kind of an exposure to baroque

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and classical era music and if you look

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at the cosmology that those composers

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were familiar with and I point this out

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in some other books as well thrice-great

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hermetica and the Janis Age for example

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their cosmology they were rooted in a

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tradition where the role of the composer

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or the artist was not to express their

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personal or subjective emotions but

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rather to embody certain musical

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procedures which would conjure passions

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that were universal to human nature

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rather than a personal expression so you

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see a tremendous shift right at the end

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of the 18th century as you're entering

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the romantic

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in the Earth's where music and

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literature and painting become a

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personal expression rather than an

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expression of this more universal

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tradition and as a result of that art

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begins to quickly degenerate you just

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consider the fact that you know at the

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beginning of the 19th century you have

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Beethoven at the end of the 19th century

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Debussy you have Arnold Schoenberg you

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have all of these wild experiments and

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the so-called high music becomes

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unlistenable because it's so personal

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it's so individualized and oftentimes

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very ugly that you lose the object

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itself you lose the tradition so there's

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a tremendous shift that happens in that

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100 years during the 19th century and

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we're kind of living with the

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after-effects today because Leonard

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Bernstein made a very I think pertinent

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observation in his 1973 Norton lectures

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on poetry and music and his observation

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was that the universal musical tradition

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more or less moved out of the high

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culture and into popular culture so in

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other words he views people like the

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Beatles and so on as preserving or

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attempting to preserve some aspect of

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that more universal tradition in popular

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music whereas you know the so-called

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highbrow music just becomes as I say

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this becomes ugly and unlistenable so

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result of all this but behind all of

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this split is the absence of that

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cosmology that was very very old and

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that had obtained you know since ancient

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times right this also makes me think

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about religions or that religions today

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are just shells of their origin I've

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talked to guests about how entheogens

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were involved in the past obviously

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Cathedral building and you mentioned

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organs they're very tied in with

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religious music and then monks chanting

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just this whole idea of trying to

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facilitate a spiritual experience using

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all the tools in the box and then you

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know today that's just kind of absent

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it's absent and it's absent you know for

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a very very complex set of reasons but

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one of them since you mentioned religion

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is that during the post-war period after

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World War two most of the churches

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Judaism in the sense that most of these

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religious institutions underwent

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deliberate processes of the self

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destruction of their liturgies and

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rituals of worship they tried to update

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they tried to modernize and as a result

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they created something so ugly they

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emptied the pieces people just quit

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going and they changed their

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confessional doctrinal positions that by

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essentially throwing them out you know

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we're living with kind of a wholesale

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assault on most of the cultural pillars

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and as you say what it's resulted in is

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we don't have a an art or music or

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literature that expresses anything

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transcendent as a matter of course you

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still have that but you know they're by

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far and away the exception to the rule

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rather than being the rule as it used to

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be so there's a lot going on but the

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important point to note again is that

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all of this is a technique of mind

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manipulation mm-hmm yeah and what's

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really interesting is we'll get into

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obviously on our side of the pond we

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always talk about the negative sides of

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that but rhyme manipulation can be used

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to inspire as well we've all heard that

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right you know you should listen to

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classical music more or when you're

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studying people put headphones on the

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mom's stomach so the baby can hear it

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you know these are probably the wrong

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approaches but they're getting at

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something that is quite real and maybe

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how could we use this say Baroque era

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music to our advantage because it is

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still in existence even though it's not

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being made today well it can be made you

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know I I compose some pieces back in the

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1990s myself this is kind of academic

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exercises to show that you can still

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compose in that style and create

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something original

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so it can be done it's just that nobody

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wants to do it and the reasons why I

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think is rather interesting and that is

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if you listen to the music of the box or

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books to hoot or any of these baroque

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era masters even Mozart was trained in

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this so you can you can listen to some

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of Mozart's organ music he didn't write

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very much but what he did compose for

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the instrument are just phenomenal

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pieces of music but one of the things

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that is very common to that music is

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that it is contrapuntal music it's got

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several lines of melody taking place at

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the same time and making harmonious

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sense you know I there's a piece I

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mentioned in that book by Bach a setting

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of the Lutheran Mass that's written in

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no less than ten independent tracks of

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music all you know taking place at the

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same time and the modern musical

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listener is used to listening to one

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melody and it's propped up by a bunch of

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chords with a jungle drum beat going on

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background so in other words we've

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dumbed down our listening ability so

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that it's very difficult for people to

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listen to Baroque era music on both a

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horizontal and a vertical plane and

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today we tend to listen this completely

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vertically and you know it suffers kind

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of a loss of dimensionality it becomes

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one-dimensional but you know that's

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putting it as simplistically as possible

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but you know I grew up as I say I grew

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up playing organ and then later

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harpsichord so I can tell people for an

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absolute fact that when you're studying

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an instrument like that where you're

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using your hands and feet doing so

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simultaneously

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it's literally rewiring the brain to be

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able to think on several levels all at

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the same time and to coordinate them all

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so even that you know we're kind of

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missing that discipline and you know the

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cosmology of it again figures into this

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because if you look at what a Cathedral

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is it's a cruciform figure and it's a

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three-dimensional analog of a tesseract

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of a hypercube

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you know we can get into some very

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esoteric physics once we start talking

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about all of this because it really is a

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kind of a hybrid dimensional music it's

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music on several tracks at the same time

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yeah and we can kind of see why we don't

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have this anymore because it's hard to

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have absolute rule over a populace

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that's repeatedly and routinely inspired

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by the divine no that's the kind of

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stuff that inspires people to fight back

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or you know have ideas bigger than

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themselves and I'll be true hero exactly

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well what we have today is we have today

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you know this subjective turn in the

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arts was really a turn towards

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narcissism so you know today it's all

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about self-expression and everybody's

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self-expression is as valid as anyone

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elses you know and so what you have is

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as a result of that you have a kind of a

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breakdown of standards in all of the

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arts you know not just music but pretty

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much across the board there's an

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interesting YouTube video out that was

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put out by Prager University and it was

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called why is modern art so bad and the

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commenter makes the observation that the

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Museum of Modern Art in Los Angeles paid

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tens of millions of dollars some absurd

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figure for a rock you know because that

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was art well I'm sorry you know a rock

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is not art you know Michelangelo's David

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that's art but a rock and its natural

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state may be beautiful but you know

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don't need to spend ten million dollars

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for it to put it in a museum and on and

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on it goes you know we've we've

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basically created a narcissistic culture

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and we pander to it in the arts and it's

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that's at some point it's going to break

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down because ultimately that kind of

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self-expression becomes so

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individualistic that you're not

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communicating anything of universal

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significance to anybody else

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mm-hmm yeah you do write about the CIA's

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manipulation of the art scene and I've

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heard other content related to the

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financials of that that's

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people would buy like a Jackson Pollock

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and for a cheap price and then promote

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it through all their media and then

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elevate the price and people were just

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like sheeple can be just say oh well I

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guess it is art and and I'm gonna buy it

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and there's actually a lot of money

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laundering and wealth creation that can

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come from just that yeah of course there

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is and it's interesting you know the CIA

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was instrumental in promoting this

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modernist movement particularly in music

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in the visual arts in the 1950s and

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promoting essentially what I have to be

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quite honest and say is displaying

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ugliness but you see the opposite thing

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happening in the Soviet Union

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particularly under Stalin and his guru

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of the Arts is Donna fiza's name and

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they were trying to promote what they

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called socialist realism you know

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basically decreeing that he had to write

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certain kind of music and within certain

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parameters and so on so Soviet composers

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you know you stop and think of people

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like Shostakovich or Prokofiev and so on

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they wrote this wonderful music but they

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wrote it under stipulation that you know

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they had to follow certain procedures

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and certain rules but nonetheless they

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were able to create you know some

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genuine art out of it in this country

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the CIA is promoting Arnold Schoenberg

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and Igor Stravinsky and Jackson Pollock

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and they know all sorts of stuff and

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another thing that I thought was

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interesting is you draw some pretty

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interesting parallels between art and

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transhumanism if you look at paintings

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and sculptures that were hyper realistic

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and full of divine proportion versus the

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abstract figures of cubism or like a

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Picasso right where the human form is

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warped and distorted it is an

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application of transhumanist ideas into

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the world of art and painting right yeah

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I definitely think so because what

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happens is and I use the famous painting

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of nude descending a staircase by Marcel

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Duchamp and then I just opposed that

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with some of the prints of Moritz Asher

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that we're probably all familiar with

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you know other worlds relativity things

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like this

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and what emerges when you compare the

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two is that in Asher's vision of the

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modern world you get several

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perspectives that occur on a common

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surface but they don't lose their

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ability to communicate a real object in

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other words it's still grounded in

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recognisable reality with Duchamp with

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the nude descending staircase you can

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barely make out the human figure because

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what's happened is the technique has

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become all powerful and to such an

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extent it really becomes kind of the fig

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leaf that disguises the nude descending

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the staircase

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if Asher had done that you would have

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seen a nude you know you know it would

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have been very probably clear so there's

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a lot that's going on and again it's

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this subjective turn plus the

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self-promotion of the CIA and then the

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billionaire busybodies as I like to call

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them they promote all of those ugliness

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and you know there's no reason that we

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have to do things that way and the

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reason I think that people need to latch

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on to this and they can latch on to what

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we're saying very easily and that's by

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considering film music because a

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composer of film music is still

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operating whether they like it or not or

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whether they're even aware of it or not

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I suspect some are and then I suspect

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others aren't they're still operating

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with that cosmological view that certain

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harmonies certain procedures in music

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certain instrumentation is going to

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conjure certain more or less Universal

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passions and responses within human

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beings and that's you know you can tell

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that they're doing this when you pay

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attention to the music that's in films

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you know think of the Star Wars films

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for example and John Williams and his

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musical score for those films where the

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emotions are very clearly being

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manipulated by the music so that art

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does persist and it would be difficult

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for us to imagine film music being

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accompanied with let's say with Arnold

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Schoenberg or somebody like that you

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you wouldn't be able to watch the film

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for very long yeah well music is a great

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example and so when we're trying to pin

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down elite agendas it can sometimes be

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really hard because we don't have the

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understanding of their worldview their

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framework of reality is just not

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something that's taught to us in school

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so it really is a lot of reverse

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engineering and you kind of talked about

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that a little bit but maybe we can get

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into the esoteric physics of it that

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underlying philosophy may be all summed

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up with microcosm ISM as as the term

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well the ancients had the view and it's

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it's a very very interesting view

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because it's almost coming back full

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circle the ancients had the view that

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the cosmos first of all was not a

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machine it was a living organism

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and you see this turn towards the

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machine view of the cosmos circa the

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17th and then the early 18th century

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people like Newton Descartes and so on

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where you begin to get this very

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mechanistic world view and it comes to

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predominate in the sciences and

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eventually by the end of the 19th

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century in the arts as well but what's

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very interesting is that the ancient

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view was that man himself was a

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microcosm of the macrocosm in other

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words man was at the exact center of the

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cosmos and not in a you know not in a

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earth centric way but rather that man

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was the center of the cosmos because he

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was the bridge between the material and

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the spiritual and so on and so forth and

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you see this view returning in modern

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physics with the so-called anthropic

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principle of modern physics and it's

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interesting because physicists have

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discovered that when you look at the

549
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:16,610
scale of things in the universe all the

550
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:19,610
way from viruses and microbes up to

551
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:22,610
galactic clusters if you look at the

552
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:24,910
scale of things in the universe

553
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:28,400
mankind stands almost dead center in

554
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:31,850
terms of the size that he represents so

555
00:24:37,890 --> 00:24:34,130
again you have this very ancient idea

556
00:24:41,049 --> 00:24:37,900
returning and this turned toward the

557
00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:41,059
mechanical part of the universe toward

558
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:43,700
the purely materialistic view of the

559
00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:46,970
universe and hence of mankind is to be

560
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:49,000
also part of this problem

561
00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:51,710
because again if you look at the baroque

562
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:54,200
era music theory treatises in the

563
00:25:02,380 --> 00:24:57,850
Baroque era borrowed terminology heavily

564
00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:02,390
from alchemy or why alchemy well it's

565
00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:04,580
because alchemy if you look at it in a

566
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:10,110
is a way of processing information and

567
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,660
doing so analogically and this is what

568
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,520
you find in their music they take a

569
00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:17,200
certain little bit of musical

570
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:19,630
information and they subject it to you

571
00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:22,330
know think of JS Bach for example they

572
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,190
subject that little bit of musical

573
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,940
information to endless endless

574
00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:29,440
permutations you know they turn it

575
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,380
upside down they put it backward they

576
00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:34,240
stretch it out in time they speed it up

577
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:37,000
in time and so on and so forth so it's a

578
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,890
way of manipulating information you're

579
00:25:44,430 --> 00:25:40,840
listening to a kind of musical alchemy

580
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:44,440
and that's coming out of this cosmology

581
00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:47,470
where the universe is viewed primarily

582
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:50,190
as kind of an organism a very complex

583
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:53,530
system a kind of biological system

584
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,510
composed of subsystems that are also

585
00:26:00,330 --> 00:25:58,000
complex and when you look at the

586
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:00,340
scientists of the era they're viewing

587
00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:01,930
things in a very different way they're

588
00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:03,550
viewing the universe is kind of a big

589
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:07,630
machine and nothing more so you've got

590
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:10,270
that clash that's been happening and

591
00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:12,490
eventually as I say it kind of comes to

592
00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:15,460
dominate the arts where the abstraction

593
00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:18,580
in art cubism that you mentioned begins

594
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:20,860
to take over the technique begins to

595
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:25,000
take over and you lose the humanity so

596
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:26,770
in a certain sense you've got also a

597
00:26:32,550 --> 00:26:29,770
kind of nihilism involved I think in a

598
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:32,560
lot of modern art and in a lot of the

599
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,810
processes of mind manipulation because

600
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:36,640
what they're trying to do as you pointed

601
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:38,230
out in your introduction it's a it's a

602
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:41,130
kind of assault on humanity per se

603
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:44,610
mm-hmm and I really think this microcosm

604
00:26:50,460 --> 00:26:48,400
ism is a much more elegant worldview

605
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:50,470
than what we have today it's almost a

606
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,050
magical one with people as above so

607
00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:55,360
below principle right and that's

608
00:27:00,410 --> 00:26:57,280
interesting because that's a viewpoint

609
00:27:03,150 --> 00:27:00,420
that people are almost afraid of today

610
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:03,160
well they should be because you are

611
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:05,170
absolutely correct to point this as

612
00:27:11,550 --> 00:27:07,330
above so below

613
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:11,560
principal out because what really is at

614
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:13,870
stake here is something that comes from

615
00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:15,910
quantum mechanics and that's the role of

616
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:19,720
the observer in quantum mechanics the

617
00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:21,670
uncertainty principle holds that you

618
00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:24,670
cannot measure the position and momentum

619
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:28,390
of an electron at the same time so

620
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:30,460
before you even take a measurement

621
00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:35,230
you're determining the result of your

622
00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:36,940
measurement before you even take it

623
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,280
depending on what you want to measure so

624
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:42,000
that like it or not has a cosmological

625
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:45,010
implication it puts mankind front and

626
00:27:51,390 --> 00:27:47,830
center in this observer effected

627
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:51,400
universe and once you recognize that

628
00:27:58,890 --> 00:27:54,670
fact then any technique of the

629
00:28:02,190 --> 00:27:58,900
manipulation of the mind of the observer

630
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:02,200
is going to have a cosmological effect

631
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:04,810
this is why I think people are kind of

632
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:07,000
viscerally afraid of this because they

633
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:10,030
recognize or they sense that this stuff

634
00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:12,330
does have a very dangerous cosmic

635
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:15,940
potential yes I wrote down the quote

636
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:17,830
from the book if one can manipulate the

637
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:20,860
minds of the observers of man what is at

638
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:22,690
the center of the cosmos then one can

639
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,630
perhaps manipulate the cosmos itself

640
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:27,760
it's like the mind is a gateway to the

641
00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:30,790
whole cosmos right it is it is and this

642
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:32,440
is something again that I think the

643
00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:36,850
ancients all the way up to the 18th

644
00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:40,780
century in the arts knew and knew very

645
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:46,180
well that any expression of art was a

646
00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:49,030
manipulation of human nature and hence

647
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,670
of that which is universal to us all and

648
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:56,080
therefore it had cosmological

649
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:57,850
significance and you dared not enter

650
00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:02,080
into that field without knowing the

651
00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:04,600
craft first of all and knowing it well

652
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:07,300
and knowing what it could do

653
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:10,420
and secondly without entering into it

654
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:12,910
without a great deal of humility and

655
00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:14,980
this you know this again is what's

656
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:17,620
absent once you turn to the 19th century

657
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:21,670
with this subjective turn because again

658
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:23,500
what you're saying is that every

659
00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:26,110
personal expression is as valid as any

660
00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:28,840
other personal expression and therefore

661
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:30,160
it becomes narcissistic and

662
00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:33,630
self-centered and you begin to impose

663
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:38,140
purely subjective personal views of the

664
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:41,170
world on everybody else through your art

665
00:29:48,150 --> 00:29:45,370
and with that comes the commensurate

666
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:48,160
loss of anything Universal in the

667
00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:50,050
culture at large and culture itself

668
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,420
begins to break down as we know as we're

669
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:55,120
seeing clearly today so yeah this is

670
00:30:01,260 --> 00:29:57,970
this is very very dangerous stuff and

671
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:01,270
then when you add to this the mechanisms

672
00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:03,580
of science and the ability to manipulate

673
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:06,990
the mind and interfere with it directly

674
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:09,970
through processes like hypnosis or

675
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:12,640
advertising you know we take that for

676
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:15,130
granted or the hard types of mind

677
00:30:18,930 --> 00:30:16,620
manipulation through remote

678
00:30:21,330 --> 00:30:18,940
electromagnetic stimulation and so on

679
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:21,340
and so forth yeah all of these things in

680
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:23,700
my opinion Greg have tremendous

681
00:30:30,990 --> 00:30:27,610
cosmological implications absolutely I

682
00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:31,000
agree and that is some great context for

683
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:33,820
the worldview and how it's been used in

684
00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:36,940
the arts and to hone in harder on my

685
00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:39,430
manipulation itself in the book you take

686
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:43,390
the nefarious American Nazi MKULTRA

687
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:45,690
research that's been talked to death and

688
00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:48,790
contrast it with some of that Soviets I

689
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:50,620
research that I'm sure people are way

690
00:30:55,470 --> 00:30:52,810
less familiar with and as you mentioned

691
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,480
it was far less based in negativity it

692
00:31:01,680 --> 00:30:58,000
seems right but what is the deal there

693
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,690
what what were their projects about well

694
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:04,000
the Soviet Union you know it's kind of

695
00:31:10,650 --> 00:31:06,850
an irony that the Soviet Union had all

696
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,660
of these for one of the better

697
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:12,880
expressions super-secret projects in the

698
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:14,809
paranormal

699
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,419
and to a certain extent this is an

700
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:19,279
opposition to its own Marxist

701
00:31:26,409 --> 00:31:22,399
materialism I think it's coming as much

702
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:26,419
out of the Russian soul as it is out of

703
00:31:32,169 --> 00:31:28,100
Marxism but they were doing some

704
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,179
breathtaking experiments in telekinesis

705
00:31:38,379 --> 00:31:35,440
in the remote viewing and telepathy

706
00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:38,389
between subjects you know thousands of

707
00:31:42,610 --> 00:31:40,340
miles away and they were doing this with

708
00:31:46,299 --> 00:31:42,620
some success they were experimenting as

709
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:46,309
well with electromagnetic approaches to

710
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:49,369
medicine and disease and healing and so

711
00:31:54,609 --> 00:31:51,110
on and so forth in other words this was

712
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:54,619
a very very comprehensive project inside

713
00:32:01,989 --> 00:31:58,159
of the Soviet Union and it made strides

714
00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:01,999
every bit as significant as you know our

715
00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:04,070
own remote viewing program in this

716
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:06,740
country and so on that we are more

717
00:32:11,889 --> 00:32:09,230
familiar with and they discovered

718
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:11,899
something that is very very crucial and

719
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:15,220
that is that if the organism is

720
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:17,929
fundamentally an organism held together

721
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:21,129
so to speak by an electromagnetic field

722
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:23,809
then it became possible to manipulate

723
00:32:28,659 --> 00:32:26,330
the entire organism through

724
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:28,669
electromagnetic harmonies and templates

725
00:32:32,169 --> 00:32:30,440
and so on so you know we're back you

726
00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:32,179
know we're square back to the arts once

727
00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:34,879
again once we say this and I think this

728
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:37,460
is the reason that you see Stalin in

729
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:40,850
particular devoting such attention after

730
00:32:47,379 --> 00:32:44,720
World War two to exercising some control

731
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,389
over the arts because there was this

732
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,519
recognition that this stuff was very

733
00:32:53,859 --> 00:32:51,679
very dangerous it had cosmic

734
00:32:55,779 --> 00:32:53,869
implications but what they were doing

735
00:32:58,450 --> 00:32:55,789
you know they were making experiments

736
00:33:02,379 --> 00:32:58,460
with their cosmonauts who they

737
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:02,389
discovered had an enhanced telepathic

738
00:33:07,090 --> 00:33:04,340
ability once they were out of the

739
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:07,100
gravity well of the earth and this is

740
00:33:10,810 --> 00:33:09,080
something that has also been mentioned

741
00:33:13,629 --> 00:33:10,820
from time to time with Western

742
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:13,639
astronauts so all of these things were

743
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:15,170
occurring

744
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:18,230
and it really didn't even break Greg out

745
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:20,840
into the open until about the mid 1970s

746
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,080
when the Soviets began to open up to

747
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:26,480
their Western counterparts and inviting

748
00:33:31,420 --> 00:33:28,670
them over for conferences and so on

749
00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:31,430
inside the Soviet Union where they

750
00:33:36,130 --> 00:33:33,260
finally began to reveal some of their

751
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:36,140
research one aspect of this research

752
00:33:40,780 --> 00:33:38,510
that I think is very significant is the

753
00:33:45,370 --> 00:33:40,790
so-called psychotronic research these

754
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:45,380
strange objects that were designed and

755
00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:48,400
built inside the Soviet Union in

756
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:51,860
Czechoslovakia that were just bizarre

757
00:33:56,790 --> 00:33:53,690
looking I mean this strange-looking

758
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,800
stuff that were designed to manipulate

759
00:34:02,350 --> 00:33:59,120
emotions and they discovered that you

760
00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:02,360
could imprint an intentionality into

761
00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:04,430
these objects and that imprinted

762
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:08,750
intentionality would affect the field in

763
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,260
which the objects were placed and you

764
00:34:17,590 --> 00:34:15,200
know that sounds nuts well there's an

765
00:34:19,870 --> 00:34:17,600
American scientist materials professor

766
00:34:21,610 --> 00:34:19,880
professor of material science at the

767
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:21,620
University of California by the name of

768
00:34:26,169 --> 00:34:24,169
dr. William tiller who conducted

769
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:26,179
experiments and I mentioned these in the

770
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:29,090
book as well who conducted experiments

771
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:34,010
on a group intentionality being able to

772
00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:38,270
affect the pH levels in organism the

773
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:40,550
acidity or lack thereof and organisms

774
00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:44,300
and to affect the gestation period of

775
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:46,100
fruit flies in other words he was aiming

776
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:50,240
to test intentionality by measurable

777
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,600
differences and again he did the exact

778
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:56,000
same thing he tried to imprint this

779
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,730
intentionality into a physical object an

780
00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:00,320
ambulance basically is what we're

781
00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:03,080
talking about folks you know analysts

782
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:05,060
with spells and scribed upon them and so

783
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,610
on and so forth but putting it to the

784
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:10,400
scientific test and lo and behold he

785
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,250
discovered that this was possible that

786
00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:15,920
she could through sheer intentionality

787
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:19,190
alter the fabric of a macrocosmic thing

788
00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:21,260
like the pH levels of acidity and

789
00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:25,150
organisms so fascinating research and

790
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,640
again dovetailing and kind of

791
00:35:32,759 --> 00:35:29,680
corroborating what the Soviets did so

792
00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:32,769
this stuff is out there and again it

793
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,140
speaks to this cosmological implication

794
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:37,359
that this could be very very dangerous

795
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:39,160
you know enter this realm at your own

796
00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:43,359
risk yeah I mean it's definitely very

797
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:46,029
powerful but of course these are tools

798
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:48,730
we shouldn't just leave to the nefarious

799
00:35:54,299 --> 00:35:50,710
few because they kind of have the

800
00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:54,309
monopoly on them right now right and I

801
00:35:58,829 --> 00:35:56,140
also wanted to ask you about that

802
00:36:01,859 --> 00:35:58,839
curious fact you mentioned about psychic

803
00:36:03,989 --> 00:36:01,869
abilities tend to enhance in the upper

804
00:36:05,759 --> 00:36:03,999
atmosphere or I guess the further you

805
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:05,769
get away from the earth what does that

806
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,610
say to you about our situation well

807
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:12,480
[Laughter]

808
00:36:18,269 --> 00:36:14,950
crawl way off of the end of the twig

809
00:36:19,799 --> 00:36:18,279
here on this one because bluntly what it

810
00:36:23,069 --> 00:36:19,809
says to me is that there's a

811
00:36:24,839 --> 00:36:23,079
relationship between consciousness and

812
00:36:27,749 --> 00:36:24,849
gravity or if you will between

813
00:36:30,299 --> 00:36:27,759
consciousness and mass and you know

814
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:30,309
that's gonna sound just absolutely nutty

815
00:36:35,729 --> 00:36:33,849
new-age stuff but I definitely think

816
00:36:37,979 --> 00:36:35,739
that there is some sort of relationship

817
00:36:39,529 --> 00:36:37,989
between consciousness and physics and

818
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:39,539
again we're going back to this

819
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:43,089
microcosmic idea that the ancients had

820
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:44,890
that man was a microcosm he was

821
00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:48,130
literally a little universe in that he

822
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,220
has all the basic elements of the

823
00:36:56,249 --> 00:36:54,880
universe at large in his physical and

824
00:36:58,229 --> 00:36:56,259
spiritual being

825
00:37:01,529 --> 00:36:58,239
you know he's again he's a topological

826
00:37:06,089 --> 00:37:01,539
common surface between the immaterial of

827
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:06,099
material realms and thus stands almost

828
00:37:11,759 --> 00:37:09,130
dead center again of reality

829
00:37:18,299 --> 00:37:11,769
so that's what it says to me that

830
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:18,309
consciousness is a a principle of the

831
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:20,590
wider cosmology

832
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:24,010
is squarely part of the ancient idea

833
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:26,410
that again the universe is the product

834
00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:30,100
of some sort of transcendent reason it's

835
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:33,190
not just this chaotic product of

836
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:36,130
accidental random chemical processes and

837
00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:37,240
so on and so forth

838
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:38,860
there's a grammar to it there's a

839
00:37:46,070 --> 00:37:42,670
structure to it and you violate or enter

840
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:46,080
into that structure at your own peril

841
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:47,970
and it's a highly I should stress this

842
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:51,630
as well as a highly analogical view of

843
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:53,940
the way that information in the universe

844
00:37:59,720 --> 00:37:56,970
is handled and again you know this is

845
00:38:02,000 --> 00:37:59,730
the way we think we move from known

846
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:02,010
contexts of knowledge to unknown

847
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:03,900
contexts of knowledge by drawing

848
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,230
analogies from things that we do know to

849
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:09,540
things that we don't know you know you

850
00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:11,790
see this process at work at Plato you

851
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:13,590
see it at work and Aristotle you

852
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:15,000
certainly see it at work and the

853
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,250
medieval philosophers and theologians be

854
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:19,440
they Christian or Islamic or Jewish and

855
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:22,200
so on so you certainly see it taking

856
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:25,500
place and you even get this cosmology

857
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,810
expressed in a very pithy way in the

858
00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:30,240
bhagavad-gita where it talks about the

859
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:32,790
field and the knower of the field you

860
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:35,220
know it's a kind of a breathtaking

861
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:37,710
affirmation of this observer oriented

862
00:38:43,340 --> 00:38:41,640
cosmos that we're living in well said

863
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,350
see I was thinking about some of the

864
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:45,480
work that you've done on the prospect of

865
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:47,910
an ancient cosmic war and that Treaty of

866
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:50,220
her side template and post-war

867
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:52,020
limitations and thinking hey maybe

868
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:54,390
there's mental constraints on this

869
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:57,650
planet as well as physical one yeah ah

870
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,320
well yeah there are and you know I don't

871
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:03,300
talk about those publicly but yeah

872
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:04,920
you've put your finger right on it

873
00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:07,950
because if you look at classical

874
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:11,430
doctrines of the fall of man it's always

875
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:14,070
expressed in couched in cosmological

876
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:18,900
terms and part of that fall if you look

877
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:22,140
at and it's a kind of literature that's

878
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:24,690
not very well known to most people but

879
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:28,470
if you look at the monastic literature

880
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:30,930
or spirituality that you find in some of

881
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:32,910
the Church Fathers they will come right

882
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:36,570
out and say that these psychic abilities

883
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:39,720
that humans have are proper to the human

884
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:43,380
nature that in other words everybody has

885
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,220
some sort of ability like this but they

886
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:50,640
also caution that because of the fall

887
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:54,030
you'd have to be very very careful in

888
00:39:59,930 --> 00:39:58,160
using it because it is also a way for

889
00:40:03,230 --> 00:39:59,940
evil spiritual

890
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:03,240
influences to enter into an individual's

891
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:05,579
life for that matter into the cosmos at

892
00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:07,650
large so yeah there's definitely that

893
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:11,240
aspect of things that's going on so

894
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:15,089
frustrating to not even understand where

895
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:17,250
or who we are or what we're dealing with

896
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,010
or implications for something that we

897
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,599
just don't have context for it's

898
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,760
frustrating well it's frustrating Gregg

899
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:26,160
and I'll tell you why you know in a

900
00:40:32,359 --> 00:40:29,099
certain sense I think that this culture

901
00:40:35,539 --> 00:40:32,369
war that we see heating up is really a

902
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:35,549
war that's been designed to cut

903
00:40:44,539 --> 00:40:40,710
everybody off from the core traditions

904
00:40:46,579 --> 00:40:44,549
of this civilization so that people are

905
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:46,589
just no longer aware of it you know

906
00:40:53,299 --> 00:40:50,430
there's been this almost total blackout

907
00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:53,309
of things and you know to give you the

908
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:55,500
example let's go back to music once

909
00:40:59,680 --> 00:40:57,690
again just to give you a small example

910
00:41:02,599 --> 00:40:59,690
of what I'm talking about here I

911
00:41:04,990 --> 00:41:02,609
mentioned before that in the 18th

912
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,000
century the music theorists borrowed

913
00:41:11,299 --> 00:41:07,200
terminology and their music theory

914
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:11,309
treatises very heavily from alchemy they

915
00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:14,339
had a whole doctrine of this cosmology

916
00:41:20,539 --> 00:41:17,750
and how it was to be expressed how you

917
00:41:24,019 --> 00:41:20,549
expressed certain very specific things

918
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:24,029
in terms of musical procedures and that

919
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,490
whole cosmological application of all of

920
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:28,380
this and music even had a name it was

921
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:30,510
called effect and there the doctrine of

922
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:33,710
the effects in music

923
00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:37,970
and you used that doctrine not only to

924
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,540
compose music but to interpret it in

925
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:44,000
other words you used it to determine how

926
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:47,120
you were going to perform it so you know

927
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:49,340
I was fortunate enough when I studied

928
00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:51,770
the organ to have studied with a German

929
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:54,350
fellow that was steeped in that

930
00:42:00,730 --> 00:41:57,890
tradition so when I sat down to learn a

931
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:00,740
Bach fugue for example the first thing

932
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:02,930
he would ask me is well is this fugue

933
00:42:07,330 --> 00:42:05,410
subject masculine or feminine or

934
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,340
androgynous that was one of the first

935
00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:09,440
things that he would ask me and I would

936
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:12,140
have to explain why I thought it was one

937
00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:16,370
of those three things and if you go to

938
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:21,320
the modern academy and study music I can

939
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:27,010
guarantee you 99% of the time a

940
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:29,990
professor particularly if they're trying

941
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:32,900
to teach you the music of that era will

942
00:42:40,570 --> 00:42:36,050
not make any reference to that doctrine

943
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:40,580
at all okay because again they haven't

944
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:43,740
themselves been exposed to

945
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,710
and it changes the way that the music is

946
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:49,020
interpreted and are therefore it changes

947
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:52,530
the way that you listen to it so in

948
00:42:56,570 --> 00:42:55,500
other words that's just one very very

949
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:56,580
small example

950
00:43:02,500 --> 00:42:59,700
now imagine spreading that example out

951
00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:02,510
to include all of the disciplines

952
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:06,030
philosophy religion science and so on

953
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:09,140
and so forth there's been this wholesale

954
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:12,119
attempt and effort to cut people off

955
00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:15,960
from any tradition of human expression

956
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:19,860
that predates the Enlightenment in other

957
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:21,270
words they've wanted to narrow

958
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:24,450
everything down to a purely humanistic

959
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:27,540
foundation and nothing else and that

960
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:30,180
will affect you know the wider culture

961
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,150
it will affect a kind of mind

962
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:35,280
manipulation in people so that when

963
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:37,260
somebody like me comes along and says

964
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:38,850
well there's this whole other thing out

965
00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:40,170
there you've got to pay attention to

966
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,100
I sound nuts because you know people are

967
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:45,680
just not used to thinking in those terms

968
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,359
so yeah it's it's definitely something

969
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,220
there and I think in a certain sense is

970
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:52,240
very deliberate

971
00:43:58,140 --> 00:43:55,450
god it's also far and above the scope of

972
00:44:00,329 --> 00:43:58,150
my own sad education but I'm trying to

973
00:44:01,710 --> 00:44:00,339
keep up here so another thing I thought

974
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,720
was really interesting on the positive

975
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:03,280
side kind of in line with what you're

976
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:05,230
saying is while our people over here

977
00:44:08,970 --> 00:44:07,150
we're trying to hypnotize patsies to

978
00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:08,980
take the fall for assassinations and

979
00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:11,619
mass killings the people in the Soviet

980
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:13,780
Union were realizing that individuals

981
00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:16,450
could be hypnotized to embody certain

982
00:44:22,020 --> 00:44:19,540
high artists and actually channel their

983
00:44:24,059 --> 00:44:22,030
talent I mean that's so fascinating yeah

984
00:44:25,890 --> 00:44:24,069
this is another astonishing thing and

985
00:44:29,069 --> 00:44:25,900
I'm so glad you mentioned this you're

986
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:29,079
exactly right that the you know I I

987
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:31,150
don't put anything past the Soviets

988
00:44:34,740 --> 00:44:32,650
don't get me wrong I'm sure that they

989
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:34,750
had their Manchurian Candidate programs

990
00:44:41,819 --> 00:44:38,890
too but what is really interesting is

991
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:41,829
that they did have this positive aspect

992
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:43,410
of things where as you say they were

993
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:47,069
hypnotizing people to see if they could

994
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,770
enhance their natural abilities to do

995
00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:52,740
things like learn a foreign language

996
00:44:59,520 --> 00:44:57,190
quickly or learn how to paint good high

997
00:45:00,839 --> 00:44:59,530
art quickly and so on and so forth and

998
00:45:04,859 --> 00:45:00,849
they found much to their surprise that

999
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:04,869
yeah they could well you don't see that

1000
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:08,049
emphasis going on in any of the studies

1001
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:11,290
I've seen of MKULTRA in fact it's

1002
00:45:15,569 --> 00:45:13,930
exactly the opposite insofar as they are

1003
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:15,579
concerned with any of that they're

1004
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:19,089
concerned in Uggla fiying it and making

1005
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:21,910
it something anti human rather than

1006
00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:24,730
something that's more humanizing so that

1007
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:27,220
is one huge difference as you correctly

1008
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:30,010
point out between the Soviet era of

1009
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,260
research that they were doing over there

1010
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:34,240
and what we were doing in this country

1011
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:35,950
and our secret research it's a huge

1012
00:45:42,539 --> 00:45:40,240
difference right and there are clues to

1013
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:42,549
this as fascinating as that sounds we

1014
00:45:46,770 --> 00:45:44,619
have probably all heard of stories where

1015
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,780
people wake up from comas or head trauma

1016
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:48,880
speaking new languages or playing

1017
00:45:54,930 --> 00:45:51,970
concert piano so it's definitely

1018
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:54,940
possible to be able to do something that

1019
00:45:58,980 --> 00:45:56,890
you weren't trained to do in your youth

1020
00:46:02,100 --> 00:45:58,990
right I think it's absolutely possible

1021
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:02,110
and it's an interesting thing

1022
00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:05,050
to contemplate how that memory seems to

1023
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:08,140
be part of if I can put it this way part

1024
00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:12,970
of or innate to human nature you know as

1025
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:15,670
I say I grew up playing pipe organs and

1026
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:19,210
later harpsichords so you know I I was a

1027
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:21,790
nerd par excellence as far as my music

1028
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:23,410
was concerned you know he can hardly

1029
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:26,700
take a pipe organ to a rock band concert

1030
00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:30,100
so I you know I was I was cut off from

1031
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:32,440
all of that development in the popular

1032
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:38,020
arts and during my graduate years of

1033
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:42,250
study I gradually lost access to organs

1034
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:46,240
and for about 30 plus years I had no

1035
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,750
access whatsoever to pipe organs I

1036
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:51,760
simply quit playing well I recently

1037
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,070
through the kindness and generosity of a

1038
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:56,460
lot of people that made donations to a

1039
00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:59,170
virtual pipe organ crowd fund was

1040
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:02,800
donated a virtual pipe organ and I've

1041
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:05,410
started practicing and it's amazing to

1042
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:08,770
me Greg after 30 plus years of not

1043
00:47:17,740 --> 00:47:13,630
having played the instrument at all how

1044
00:47:20,140 --> 00:47:17,750
much memory is there

1045
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:20,150
and still there and even in pieces that

1046
00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:22,940
I did not even learn back when I was

1047
00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:26,060
playing so yeah it does not surprise me

1048
00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:27,950
that you have these experiences of

1049
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:30,320
people in comas that wake up with these

1050
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:33,310
fantastic abilities that it seems to be

1051
00:47:39,550 --> 00:47:36,830
something innate to human nature it's

1052
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:39,560
that possibly that effect of the fall

1053
00:47:44,410 --> 00:47:41,510
again that you know we've got many more

1054
00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:44,420
abilities but for some reason they were

1055
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:47,630
curtailed or our access to them was

1056
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:50,030
blocked in some form or fashion that it

1057
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:53,150
takes something traumatic to unlock

1058
00:47:57,340 --> 00:47:55,430
again but I think what we're seeing is

1059
00:47:59,350 --> 00:47:57,350
something innate to human nature in

1060
00:48:01,870 --> 00:47:59,360
other words it's not simply an accident

1061
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:01,880
of a coma it's something that if we were

1062
00:48:07,450 --> 00:48:04,700
to learn how or why that mechanism

1063
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:07,460
functioned in the case of some people we

1064
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:10,130
might be able to unlock some of that for

1065
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,890
a lot more people and I think that there

1066
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:14,720
are even studies now that you mentioned

1067
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,910
of cases like that where they're trying

1068
00:48:22,030 --> 00:48:19,760
to zero in on what it is that is taking

1069
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:22,040
place here with those types of phenomena

1070
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:23,750
and I go back to what I've said before I

1071
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:26,800
think that these types of psychic

1072
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:30,950
abilities are innate to the human nature

1073
00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:33,650
as such we're just not you know we're

1074
00:48:38,770 --> 00:48:35,360
just not used to thinking in those terms

1075
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:38,780
and so we paid no attention to it mmhmm

1076
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:41,930
yeah it's a major clue that something is

1077
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:43,940
wrong with the materialist model and

1078
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:46,850
there's something else out there and one

1079
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,790
of the biggest mind-blowing moments to

1080
00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:52,400
me reading about this soviet research is

1081
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:53,540
when you point out that immediately

1082
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,790
after the Soviet Union collapsed the

1083
00:48:59,230 --> 00:48:57,680
Russian press ran some articles

1084
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:59,240
disclosing what their people have been

1085
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,190
working on maybe their last chance to

1086
00:49:05,650 --> 00:49:03,440
get the word out in their state of mind

1087
00:49:07,810 --> 00:49:05,660
but they say they had tested flying

1088
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:07,820
saucer shaped aircraft as well as flying

1089
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:10,760
saucer shape time machine yeah it's kind

1090
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:12,710
of parallels the research that the

1091
00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:14,150
Germans seem to have been working on

1092
00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:16,550
yeah they did a number of very very

1093
00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:19,790
strange physics experiments that I

1094
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:23,240
talked about in the book and I think

1095
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:25,130
there may be some sort of German

1096
00:49:31,210 --> 00:49:28,400
connection because if we go back to the

1097
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,220
end of World War two and I've made this

1098
00:49:36,339 --> 00:49:33,680
observation in other context with some

1099
00:49:40,330 --> 00:49:36,349
other books but his always struck me

1100
00:49:44,349 --> 00:49:40,340
Greg that the Nazis were driving a very

1101
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,359
unusual division of the spoils they were

1102
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:47,119
driving the creme de la creme of their

1103
00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:49,849
scientists to the west to the United

1104
00:49:55,089 --> 00:49:52,520
States to Great Britain to Canada but

1105
00:49:57,310 --> 00:49:55,099
they were driving the middle Ashlin

1106
00:50:01,300 --> 00:49:57,320
managers for a lot of these secret

1107
00:50:03,130 --> 00:50:01,310
projects towards the Soviets and if you

1108
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,140
stop and consider what that means it

1109
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,119
means that the Soviets got all of the

1110
00:50:09,849 --> 00:50:07,520
draftsman and all of the people that

1111
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:09,859
could reconstruct the documents trail

1112
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:13,910
for them and I think the Soviets picked

1113
00:50:18,339 --> 00:50:16,190
up a lot of this stuff and continued

1114
00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:18,349
experimenting on it after the war one

1115
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:21,260
case in point that I mentioned in SS

1116
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:22,730
Brotherhood of the Bell is they got a

1117
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:25,849
German radar team at the end of the war

1118
00:50:33,059 --> 00:50:30,640
that in my reading of the event

1119
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:33,069
actually made the discovery of phase

1120
00:50:37,979 --> 00:50:35,980
conjugation multi-beam mixing on

1121
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:37,989
nonlinear materials and getting a phase

1122
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:40,089
effect on their radar sets that were

1123
00:50:44,789 --> 00:50:43,119
quite literally blown out when they

1124
00:50:46,979 --> 00:50:44,799
tried to do this on some of their

1125
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:46,989
stealthy material that they were putting

1126
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:49,599
on their u-boats and the Soviets got

1127
00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:54,400
that team so I do view they post-war

1128
00:51:00,749 --> 00:50:56,920
research that the Soviets were doing as

1129
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:00,759
being in some sense in some fashion a

1130
00:51:05,609 --> 00:51:03,700
continuation of that Nazi research but

1131
00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:05,619
not all of it certainly this psychic

1132
00:51:11,099 --> 00:51:08,440
research that they were doing went way

1133
00:51:12,809 --> 00:51:11,109
beyond what the Nazis were doing in

1134
00:51:15,779 --> 00:51:12,819
terms of of what they were doing in

1135
00:51:17,999 --> 00:51:15,789
World War two the Soviets put a lot of

1136
00:51:20,729 --> 00:51:18,009
scientific rigor into what they were

1137
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:20,739
trying to do that the Nazis were just

1138
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:23,529
kind of using a shotgun approach you

1139
00:51:27,509 --> 00:51:25,450
know let's try this let's try that and

1140
00:51:29,069 --> 00:51:27,519
you know and desperately trying to come

1141
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:29,079
up with something to win the war you

1142
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:32,710
know but the Soviets were very very

1143
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,569
deliberate in the way that they set

1144
00:51:41,009 --> 00:51:37,359
these programs up and they did so with a

1145
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:41,019
lot of rigor mm-hmm and that was so

1146
00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:42,640
fascinating to read about because we

1147
00:51:48,059 --> 00:51:45,700
know so much less about that side of the

1148
00:51:50,249 --> 00:51:48,069
coin right who the MKULTRA side's know I

1149
00:51:53,279 --> 00:51:50,259
mean people really should pick this up

1150
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:53,289
just to have that piece of context

1151
00:51:58,739 --> 00:51:56,049
because it's very hard to find in my

1152
00:52:00,329 --> 00:51:58,749
opinion and I wanted to sidestep to

1153
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,339
something you recently covered in your

1154
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:01,839
news and views from the nefarious

1155
00:52:06,029 --> 00:52:03,609
segments and that's this anecdote about

1156
00:52:08,789 --> 00:52:06,039
Wernher von Braun saying on his deathbed

1157
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,799
that the cultural boogeyman would come

1158
00:52:13,799 --> 00:52:10,480
in stages right we've heard this before

1159
00:52:15,329 --> 00:52:13,809
first communism then terrorism then

1160
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:15,339
nations of concern

1161
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:18,220
followed by asteroids and then aliens

1162
00:52:23,759 --> 00:52:20,890
well those last two seem pretty epic in

1163
00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:23,769
nature but big names are writing books

1164
00:52:28,259 --> 00:52:26,680
about asteroids and that is permeating

1165
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:28,269
the culture right now we also are

1166
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:30,730
opening up a space force and I just am

1167
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:33,640
curious are some of the technologies you

1168
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:35,130
bring up in the book do they seem

1169
00:52:41,819 --> 00:52:37,900
helpful to you for these later stages of

1170
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:41,829
this deathbed confession plan absolutely

1171
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:44,450
they do if you have the

1172
00:52:52,349 --> 00:52:48,609
ability to interfere with someone's

1173
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:52,359
perceptions through remote

1174
00:52:57,790 --> 00:52:55,250
electromagnetic means in other words I'm

1175
00:53:01,420 --> 00:52:57,800
talking about voice of God Technologies

1176
00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:01,430
here and these technologies do exist

1177
00:53:06,430 --> 00:53:04,070
there are patents for them I put a few

1178
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:06,440
of them in the book and they have

1179
00:53:15,250 --> 00:53:11,900
existed since the 1970s at least if you

1180
00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:15,260
have the ability to beam literally to be

1181
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:19,060
moisés into somebody's head using

1182
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:22,460
electromagnetism then that gives you the

1183
00:53:27,550 --> 00:53:25,220
ability to control perceptions the

1184
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:27,560
potential ability to control perceptions

1185
00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:30,400
so that you could literally not only

1186
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:34,040
stage a false flag event but you could

1187
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:36,230
stage it quite literally in people's

1188
00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:40,640
minds and if that sounds far-fetched let

1189
00:53:45,970 --> 00:53:42,200
me give you an example and you've

1190
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:45,980
mentioned this in the introduction in

1191
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:49,849
the 1970s the I believe it was the

1192
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:52,750
Defense Advanced Research Project agency

1193
00:54:00,300 --> 00:53:57,250
sponsored a study of trying to create

1194
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:00,310
what I call electroencephalographic

1195
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:02,810
dictionaries in other words the ability

1196
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:08,270
to read a person's brain waves and by

1197
00:54:14,170 --> 00:54:10,310
looking at the pattern of the brain

1198
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:14,180
waves determine what words they were

1199
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:17,630
thinking of at the time and by the end

1200
00:54:22,059 --> 00:54:19,420
of this project I think it was about

1201
00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:22,069
1975 or so I may be often the dates

1202
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:24,380
there but by the end of this project

1203
00:54:28,329 --> 00:54:26,260
they had compiled an

1204
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:28,339
electroencephalographic dictionary of

1205
00:54:33,819 --> 00:54:31,640
about 2,000 words in other words if you

1206
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:33,829
invent a technology that can remotely

1207
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:38,150
sense a person's brain waves then you

1208
00:54:42,550 --> 00:54:40,220
would be able using that kind of

1209
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:42,560
dictionary to read what they were

1210
00:54:51,250 --> 00:54:46,010
thinking and that technology in turn can

1211
00:54:54,579 --> 00:54:51,260
be used as a way of beaming waves to a

1212
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:54,589
brain and then creating the pattern of

1213
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:58,170
waves to create words in people's head

1214
00:55:04,310 --> 00:55:02,640
and by now some sources indicate and I

1215
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:04,320
mentioned these in the book some sources

1216
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,570
indicate that this

1217
00:55:10,580 --> 00:55:07,920
electroencephalographic dictionary has

1218
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:10,590
expanded now to about seventy thousand

1219
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:14,250
words if not more so in other words you

1220
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:16,580
have the means to carry on entire

1221
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:20,490
conversations between someone with their

1222
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,890
equipment in one room and somebody that

1223
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:25,440
is hearing voices in their head in

1224
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:27,930
another and the interesting thing that

1225
00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:30,920
we can point to about this technology is

1226
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:34,670
I mentioned the case of a lady that was

1227
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:37,740
subjected to this and started hearing

1228
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:40,590
these words in her head but she would

1229
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,690
only hear them at certain places in her

1230
00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:45,000
apartment when she got up and moved out

1231
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:46,950
of the field of interference in other

1232
00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:49,110
words well stop and think of the Cuban

1233
00:55:54,590 --> 00:55:51,870
embassy attacks we have all of these

1234
00:55:56,180 --> 00:55:54,600
people in the embassy in Cuba that

1235
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:56,190
claimed that they were hearing these

1236
00:56:01,550 --> 00:55:59,700
horrible metallic scraping sounds and

1237
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:01,560
that they were sleepless and so on and

1238
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,540
so forth one individual reported well I

1239
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:05,520
heard this when I was asleep but it

1240
00:56:11,029 --> 00:56:08,609
stopped the moment I got out of bed

1241
00:56:13,759 --> 00:56:11,039
in other words the moment I moved out of

1242
00:56:17,479 --> 00:56:13,769
the interference area where these waves

1243
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,489
were you know being beamed the voices

1244
00:56:23,209 --> 00:56:19,599
and the sound stop

1245
00:56:26,910 --> 00:56:23,219
so this is a very very real technology

1246
00:56:28,739 --> 00:56:26,920
the problem with it thus far as as far

1247
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:28,749
as I've been able to determine greg is

1248
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:32,170
that the technology that we know of is

1249
00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:34,569
capable of doing this but only on a

1250
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:39,430
limited area but now bring in things

1251
00:56:48,479 --> 00:56:44,890
like 5g or smart meters or you can turn

1252
00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:48,489
the electrical circuit of your dwelling

1253
00:56:56,130 --> 00:56:53,380
into a broadcast antenna and once you've

1254
00:56:58,729 --> 00:56:56,140
done that then you have created a you

1255
00:57:01,289 --> 00:56:58,739
know you've created dr. Jose Delgado's

1256
00:57:03,809 --> 00:57:01,299
infamous psychotronic leak controlled

1257
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:03,819
society where you're yeah you're

1258
00:57:09,059 --> 00:57:06,729
literally beaming happy thoughts or bad

1259
00:57:11,249 --> 00:57:09,069
thoughts you know to everybody depending

1260
00:57:14,430 --> 00:57:11,259
on what you want to accomplish so this

1261
00:57:16,279 --> 00:57:14,440
stuff is very very real and it's very

1262
00:57:19,439 --> 00:57:16,289
very dangerous

1263
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:19,449
yes well said all great advice and that

1264
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:21,849
is exactly what I was gonna end this

1265
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:23,880
with is really just how much I loved

1266
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,430
microcosm and medium it's complex but I

1267
00:57:31,979 --> 00:57:29,920
think it really places mind control

1268
00:57:33,749 --> 00:57:31,989
technology and the full framework of our

1269
00:57:35,759 --> 00:57:33,759
reality and the worldview of the elite

1270
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,769
and that's really important to

1271
00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:37,359
understand it and of course as you said

1272
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:39,430
you have self-published this one so

1273
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:41,410
people should go specifically to your

1274
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:44,410
website to get it they can go there or

1275
00:57:49,709 --> 00:57:47,920
they can go directly to Lou Lou and just

1276
00:57:52,459 --> 00:57:49,719
look for microcosm and medium or do a

1277
00:57:55,439 --> 00:57:52,469
search for my name and it'll come up and

1278
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:55,449
it will also show the McCarthy the

1279
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,180
recent McCarthy book which is also

1280
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,920
self-published on Lulu so that's yeah

1281
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:01,839
all of my books for the foreseeable

1282
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:02,890
future I think are going to be

1283
00:58:08,489 --> 00:58:05,650
self-published on Lulu because I'm just

1284
00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:08,499
done with publishers making 90% of the

1285
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:10,420
cover price while I'm doing all the work

1286
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:12,910
and getting a measly 10% royalty and

1287
00:58:21,209 --> 00:58:18,609
those days are over I understand and man

1288
00:58:24,209 --> 00:58:21,219
well this has definitely been a lot of

1289
00:58:26,699 --> 00:58:24,219
fun a lot of great ideas talked about of

1290
00:58:28,890 --> 00:58:26,709
course hopefully we can convert some

1291
00:58:30,749 --> 00:58:28,900
geezers for you but is there anything

1292
00:58:32,980 --> 00:58:30,759
else to say promotion wise to leave

1293
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:32,990
people with these a death star calm

1294
00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:34,910
the website anything else yeah there's a

1295
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:36,860
new book out on Lulu it's called

1296
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:39,710
McCarthy Monmouth and the deep state and

1297
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:42,980
let me read the back cover right up for

1298
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:45,530
that because this this is a book I wrote

1299
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,250
in a fast furious pace says Senator

1300
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:51,440
Joseph R McCarthy is just about the last

1301
00:58:57,210 --> 00:58:54,410
name one would expect to encounter in

1302
00:59:00,700 --> 00:58:57,220
connection to UFOs the Roswell incident

1303
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:00,710
above top-secret black projects covert

1304
00:59:06,790 --> 00:59:03,920
operations or high financial scandal but

1305
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:06,800
think about it McCarthy began his career

1306
00:59:11,350 --> 00:59:08,840
the US Senate a few months before the

1307
00:59:13,060 --> 00:59:11,360
Roswell incident he was at the height of

1308
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:13,070
his power and influence during the major

1309
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:16,910
UFO flap over Washington DC in 1952 is

1310
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:19,490
it therefore so strange that in the

1311
00:59:26,350 --> 00:59:21,770
transcripts of his 1953 committee

1312
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:26,360
hearings declassified only in 2003 that

1313
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:28,610
one should encounter veiled and not so

1314
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,770
veiled references to these subjects

1315
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:33,200
putting a very different context to his

1316
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:35,450
massive and career-ending confrontation

1317
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:38,450
in the army McCarthy hearings it's quite

1318
00:59:48,430 --> 00:59:43,010
a little book provocative yes you sucked

1319
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,440
me in again oh great well Joseph always

1320
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:50,240
a pleasure and it's always a challenge

1321
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:52,609
for me to keep up but thanks again and

1322
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,290
take care out there well thanks for

1323
00:59:57,580 --> 00:59:55,760
having me back Greg and thank you so

1324
00:59:59,290 --> 00:59:57,590
much for your patience on the scheduling

1325
01:00:01,180 --> 00:59:59,300
trial that's this interview done I

1326
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:01,190
realize I put you through the wringer on

1327
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:03,770
it but thank you again you got it that's

1328
01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:11,430
Wow Wow what do I say guys Joseph P

1329
01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:14,230
Pharoah always always bring in the heat

1330
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,380
in both intellectual and physical form

1331
01:00:21,569 --> 01:00:19,839
if you hear that sweet velvety sound of

1332
01:00:24,030 --> 01:00:21,579
a lighter sparking up in the background

1333
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:24,040
a sound that is near and dear to my

1334
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,910
heart no doubt but seriously this

1335
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:30,640
content got me thinking pretty deeply

1336
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,450
and I even wondered if you need to read

1337
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:36,160
the book to get what we're talking about

1338
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:38,530
I try to make sure you had enough

1339
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:40,990
context but it was a lot harder to do

1340
01:00:46,829 --> 01:00:44,650
that today then it usually is because

1341
01:00:48,329 --> 01:00:46,839
this overall thesis is in the

1342
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:48,339
neighborhood of a lot of things we talk

1343
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:50,170
about but some of the connections and

1344
01:00:55,289 --> 01:00:53,680
threads are a bit more foreign I'm sure

1345
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:55,299
you guys are fine because this is the

1346
01:00:59,940 --> 01:00:56,890
sort of thing we've been building

1347
01:01:01,680 --> 01:00:59,950
towards for a long time and yeah I was

1348
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:01,690
also nervous we wouldn't get this

1349
01:01:06,329 --> 01:01:04,210
recorded because as he mentioned we had

1350
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:06,339
scheduling issues largely due to the

1351
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:09,609
storms in his area nothing anybody can

1352
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:11,470
do anything about but you know how it

1353
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:14,049
goes a week goes by and then it's hard

1354
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:17,410
to add old things to next week's already

1355
01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:20,559
full calendar I've lost more than a few

1356
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,020
interviews that way but hey what do we

1357
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:25,599
say to the god of podcasting death not

1358
01:01:30,970 --> 01:01:28,910
today so I'm glad we got it

1359
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:30,980
and one of the things I loved we did

1360
01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:33,890
spend a decent amount of time trying to

1361
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:36,380
get into the elites head and deconstruct

1362
01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:39,710
their worldview or not so much worldview

1363
01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:42,590
as cosmology as universe view you know

1364
01:01:47,950 --> 01:01:44,420
and how they conceived of reality

1365
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:47,960
structure and this book this thesis

1366
01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:50,600
obviously had a lot to do with that and

1367
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:52,520
at the top of the pyramid I make a

1368
01:01:57,900 --> 01:01:54,470
general assumption that their worldview

1369
01:02:00,850 --> 01:01:57,910
is largely correct and also ancient I

1370
01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:00,860
mean the elites have always kept the

1371
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:05,030
masses in the dark but to steer many

1372
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:08,290
different cultures into various traps

1373
01:02:14,530 --> 01:02:11,690
you kind of got to know the real deal

1374
01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:14,540
what's really under the hood at least

1375
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:18,380
that's my impression call it microcosm

1376
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:20,810
ISM for the sake of branding but that's

1377
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:22,970
how I see the world - for the most part

1378
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:26,030
I feel like it's pretty synonymous with

1379
01:02:32,170 --> 01:02:28,310
animism it's just kind of more focused

1380
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,180
on man's place in the universe maybe

1381
01:02:36,490 --> 01:02:34,160
there's a little romanticizing about

1382
01:02:41,170 --> 01:02:36,500
humanity in it but I'm okay with that

1383
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:41,180
and this idea that a jailbreaking of the

1384
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:43,130
mind is a skeleton key to the universe

1385
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:46,760
that's a fascinating idea to me if you

1386
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:48,680
hear people like David Icke talk about

1387
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,900
the archons or even if you take a

1388
01:02:54,730 --> 01:02:52,400
traditional Christian perspective

1389
01:02:57,970 --> 01:02:54,740
there's that thing about the jealousy of

1390
01:03:00,220 --> 01:02:57,980
angels and usually it comes back to

1391
01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:00,230
man's ability to create and that these

1392
01:03:05,890 --> 01:03:03,070
spiritual entities can only manipulate

1393
01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:05,900
they can promote ideas and spread

1394
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:10,430
concepts and play the music chilled they

1395
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:13,970
can't actually play the tunes hits the

1396
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:17,510
thumbs you know alien gods can beam the

1397
01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:20,230
Tesla coil plans right into Tesla's head

1398
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:23,480
but they need his thumbs or it's all

1399
01:03:29,410 --> 01:03:26,690
just whispers in the wind so I do take

1400
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:29,420
this angle that maybe spiritual forces

1401
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:31,550
have reasons for having the elite

1402
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:33,650
approach things a certain way when it

1403
01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:35,830
comes to control

1404
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:38,320
to me this all jives with that kind of

1405
01:03:44,310 --> 01:03:41,220
thinking but his points about these

1406
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,320
cosmological implications and agenda of

1407
01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:47,200
mind control tech is really well stated

1408
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:50,590
and also has that ferrule flavor that is

1409
01:03:56,970 --> 01:03:53,680
quite unique I really enjoyed the parts

1410
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:56,980
that relate to the value of high art I'm

1411
01:04:01,410 --> 01:03:58,930
not very knowledgeable or particularly

1412
01:04:03,870 --> 01:04:01,420
moved by these things but I think that's

1413
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:03,880
because I lack the education and all of

1414
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:07,090
that but I do respect it and I see

1415
01:04:12,290 --> 01:04:09,910
something in it that is probably

1416
01:04:15,150 --> 01:04:12,300
different than what we get from Disney

1417
01:04:18,690 --> 01:04:15,160
we've talked about this spiritual

1418
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:18,700
linkage this drawing down effect and if

1419
01:04:23,310 --> 01:04:20,290
you want to convince the world that

1420
01:04:25,950 --> 01:04:23,320
their prison planet is the only layer of

1421
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:25,960
their reality you got to remove those

1422
01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:29,250
things that lead one to think otherwise

1423
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:32,920
psychedelics and high art and replace

1424
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:35,410
the world's well thought out spiritual

1425
01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:38,470
traditions with a far less potent

1426
01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:42,520
hollowed-out corporate version they did

1427
01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:45,640
it all but on the positive side I was

1428
01:04:50,130 --> 01:04:47,800
also fascinated by the results of the

1429
01:04:52,740 --> 01:04:50,140
Soviet side research almost too good to

1430
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:52,750
be true the things that could be done

1431
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:55,290
when they want to do enhance the mind

1432
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,970
you know MKULTRA is over here trying to

1433
01:05:03,270 --> 01:04:59,920
create super soldiers and they're just

1434
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:03,280
trying to create supermen I don't know

1435
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:05,650
but I definitely have a baroque playlist

1436
01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:08,760
now personally it's Chopin's raindrop

1437
01:05:12,930 --> 01:05:10,780
Prelude right around two and a half

1438
01:05:16,170 --> 01:05:12,940
minutes that really speaks to me

1439
01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:16,180
but of course Chopin wouldn't really

1440
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:18,790
qualify as baroque more of a baroque

1441
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:21,250
throwback which probably isn't enough by

1442
01:05:28,170 --> 01:05:24,880
dr. ferral standards I might guess but

1443
01:05:31,110 --> 01:05:28,180
baby steps and I do think the overall

1444
01:05:33,390 --> 01:05:31,120
message is that it's us who have the

1445
01:05:36,570 --> 01:05:33,400
power to create and we can use the realm

1446
01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:36,580
of ideas as inspiration but we choose

1447
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:38,500
what we create and we should do it

1448
01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:40,280
consciously

1449
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:42,260
shake off the doom and gloom and the

1450
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:44,030
haze of the nine-to-five routine and

1451
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:46,010
really think about what you're bringing

1452
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:48,490
into the world and think about

1453
01:05:53,860 --> 01:05:51,130
manifesting the reality that you want

1454
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:53,870
focus less on the negative or at least

1455
01:05:58,930 --> 01:05:56,930
give it less weight what do I know about

1456
01:06:02,080 --> 01:05:58,940
the mechanisms of the universe I'm just

1457
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,090
some guy but some days I feel more

1458
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:03,680
hopeful about it than others and right

1459
01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:07,010
now I feel pretty good so I hope you dug

1460
01:06:11,890 --> 01:06:08,900
it it's definitely something I'm glad we

1461
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,900
got done Joseph fail number five check

1462
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:13,520
out his other appearances in the

1463
01:06:17,740 --> 01:06:15,290
archives if you didn't realize he's been

1464
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:17,750
here so many times the five-time Club is

1465
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:19,970
an awfully small group right maybe only

1466
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:22,210
half a dozen people or so can say that

1467
01:06:27,850 --> 01:06:25,070
I'll make sure they all get their pins

1468
01:06:29,980 --> 01:06:27,860
but another aspect of this show I liked

1469
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:29,990
a lot really came out more so in the

1470
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:32,570
second hour but it's this exploration of

1471
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:34,610
strange events as a type of field

1472
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:37,850
testing in particular Jonestown and how

1473
01:06:43,090 --> 01:06:40,310
it might have been a CIA operation to

1474
01:06:46,090 --> 01:06:43,100
field-test psychotropic drugs on various

1475
01:06:50,260 --> 01:06:46,100
kinds of people to me we explained it

1476
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:50,270
all that way it just clicked also that

1477
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:53,060
the Mandela effect is field testing for

1478
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,430
their latest toys and you should watch

1479
01:07:00,640 --> 01:06:57,680
these Mandela effects support groups as

1480
01:07:04,110 --> 01:07:00,650
they could be potential fronts for the

1481
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:04,120
data collection that's pretty intense

1482
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:07,010
provocative provocative if you see

1483
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:09,290
military intelligence connections then

1484
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,170
you already know and that said of course

1485
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:15,440
every interview you hear out there from

1486
01:07:20,830 --> 01:07:18,170
me for free has a second hour four plus

1487
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:20,840
members and today with dr. ferral we get

1488
01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:23,930
into how microcosm and medium relates

1489
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:27,470
back to hess and the Penguins things I

1490
01:07:33,250 --> 01:07:29,930
mentioned about Jonestown and the

1491
01:07:35,410 --> 01:07:33,260
Mandela effect how psychotropic drugs

1492
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:35,420
and wireless technology can work

1493
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:38,810
together for mind-control agendas dr.

1494
01:07:44,590 --> 01:07:41,000
Farrell's thoughts on ufology in the

1495
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:44,600
context of patterns and the mind-control

1496
01:07:49,350 --> 01:07:47,570
technology were seen why spiritual

1497
01:07:52,780 --> 01:07:49,360
forces might care about earthly

1498
01:07:53,770 --> 01:07:52,790
geopolitics magic and reverse magic

1499
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,780
instances

1500
01:07:58,330 --> 01:07:55,520
and world events like the burning of

1501
01:08:01,810 --> 01:07:58,340
notre-dame Cathedral and a very worthy

1502
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:01,820
detour to talk about dr. Farrell's work

1503
01:08:10,210 --> 01:08:05,410
on GMO politics and food supply

1504
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:10,220
administered vaccines stay awake be

1505
01:08:15,850 --> 01:08:12,950
ready folks just so much great stuff

1506
01:08:17,559 --> 01:08:15,860
most of it is in the book but read that

1507
01:08:19,090 --> 01:08:17,569
book or listen to the second hour

1508
01:08:22,289 --> 01:08:19,100
because it's definitely worth your time

1509
01:08:25,809 --> 01:08:22,299
if you're already here and interested in

1510
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:25,819
higher side news I am feeling the pinch

1511
01:08:30,610 --> 01:08:28,010
although a minor pinch because I don't

1512
01:08:32,890 --> 01:08:30,620
really care about YouTube but we have

1513
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:32,900
had another three shows removed by

1514
01:08:39,599 --> 01:08:34,870
YouTube yesterday

1515
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:39,609
Victor thorn Neil Cramer and Jim Fetzer

1516
01:08:44,349 --> 01:08:42,710
all episodes that were several years old

1517
01:08:46,510 --> 01:08:44,359
and of course came with the warning that

1518
01:08:48,579 --> 01:08:46,520
if I'm not careful about my content I

1519
01:08:50,590 --> 01:08:48,589
could be removed entirely well if you're

1520
01:08:52,809 --> 01:08:50,600
gonna remove shows that are multiple

1521
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:52,819
years old and I have hundreds more

1522
01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:55,859
I guess the damage is done

1523
01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:58,920
but whatever my youtube presence is but

1524
01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:02,160
a small sliver of my overall power and

1525
01:09:07,849 --> 01:09:04,440
influence and it makes no nevermind to

1526
01:09:09,860 --> 01:09:07,859
me in the grand scheme of things but I

1527
01:09:12,230 --> 01:09:09,870
need you to be aware in case I'm

1528
01:09:13,970 --> 01:09:12,240
suddenly not there anymore and you don't

1529
01:09:18,140 --> 01:09:13,980
think to go to my website the higher

1530
01:09:22,579 --> 01:09:18,150
side shuts comm which is the home for

1531
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:22,589
all things THC go there or use one of

1532
01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:25,560
the many independent podcasting apps to

1533
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:29,060
look up THC or put the RSS feed in

1534
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:31,980
because the time is here to stop sucking

1535
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,390
on that YouTube teat

1536
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:36,000
alright I'm gonna keep posting shows

1537
01:09:41,690 --> 01:09:39,810
there but I am NOT happy about it but

1538
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:41,700
big thanks to our guests check out his

1539
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:44,100
website Giza Deathstar calm and tell

1540
01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:45,359
them the Karl would sent you and I'll

1541
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:47,490
see you next time your move mind

1542
01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:49,380
manipulators tyrants of transhumanism

1543
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:52,040
and occult crafters of the digital era

1544
01:10:02,420 --> 01:09:56,370
your [\h__\h] move you know the plan is

1545
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:02,430
always mkl just trying to dream you

1546
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:04,070
insane

1547
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:06,930
they'll explode your heart if they think

1548
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:10,080
that's what it is you think I'm

1549
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:14,730
answering the phone well I aim you gotta

1550
01:10:21,230 --> 01:10:17,970
keep it strong cuz I don't want anyone

1551
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:21,240
thinking yo at home well you're not you

1552
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:24,690
should tape the mail slot and baby if I

1553
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:27,630
seem withdrawn let me sing it's cuz I

1554
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:30,300
just don't wanna go and get whacked

1555
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:34,230
maybe you should know that the trauma of

1556
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:35,880
sex

1557
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:40,170
is everyone it's just the game plan it's

1558
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:44,100
where the world's become they want a pet

1559
01:10:50,629 --> 01:10:46,830
demand us what don't you see what's

1560
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:50,639
going on well now you know you're better

1561
01:10:58,820 --> 01:10:54,770
came in on your rockers you can see the

1562
01:11:04,390 --> 01:10:58,830
Masters lacking much Oh baby you can

1563
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:04,400
only trust yourself and if you think the

1564
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:08,400
system's out of touch it is and you can

1565
01:11:14,980 --> 01:11:11,810
only trust yourself

1566
01:11:18,820 --> 01:11:14,990
I hope you know real lean aren't your

1567
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:18,830
friends the suck out everything from you

1568
01:11:27,190 --> 01:11:23,330
in the end and if for some reason you

1569
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:27,200
think I might be wrong I wonder where

1570
01:11:34,210 --> 01:11:31,760
you got that opinion from you gotta keep

1571
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:34,220
the tournament strong cuz you don't want

1572
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:36,650
anyone thinking you're at home well

1573
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:39,770
you're not you should tape the mail slot

1574
01:11:46,510 --> 01:11:43,490
and baby if I seem withdrawn let me sing

1575
01:11:50,290 --> 01:11:46,520
it's cuz I just don't wanna go and get

1576
01:11:54,090 --> 01:11:50,300
whacked maybe you should know that the

1577
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:54,100
trauma affects you like it does everyone

1578
01:12:01,480 --> 01:11:57,530
it's just the game when it's what the

1579
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:01,490
world's become they want a pat down in

1580
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:04,460
the swamp don't you see what's going on

1581
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:06,150
well now you

1582
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:09,910
you're better keepin on your rockers you

1583
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:14,740
can see the man is lacking much Oh baby

1584
01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:19,750
you can only trust yourself and if you

1585
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:24,280
think the system's out of touch it is

1586
01:12:47,230 --> 01:12:28,880
and you can only trust yourself

1587
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:47,240
[Music]

1588
01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:50,970
you might think that these problems are

1589
01:12:59,690 --> 01:12:55,470
small maybe they aren't registering at

1590
01:13:04,160 --> 01:12:59,700
all now they know you're naive and

1591
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:04,170
vulnerable you won't believe all of the

1592
01:13:13,220 --> 01:13:09,170
sense that dal PO cuz you can see the

1593
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:13,230
Masters lied too much oh baby you can

1594
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:18,800
only trust yourself and if you think the

1595
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:22,800
system's out of touch it is and you can

1596
01:13:32,060 --> 01:13:27,330
only trust yourself because you can see

1597
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:32,070
the Masters lied too much oh baby you

1598
01:13:41,690 --> 01:13:36,900
can only trust yourself and if you think